Dreamflesh Interview with Gyrus

This is an interview from June 2008 with Gyrus, head of Dreamflesh Publications, on the release of his journal.




Marion: What inspired Dreamflesh, why compile it?

Gyrus: I just wanted to get back to creating something tangible. After publishing Towards 2012 and other things in the late '90s, I moved to London and started working, building websites. I had a lot of enthusiasm for the web, but after a while it was clear that the act of reading was qualitatively different in front of a screen. The presence of so many other things to read, do, or interact with via the same interface, the textureless sheen of the reading surface, the hum and buzz of machine components, the restriction to a specific physical posture (laptops notwithstanding)... All these things seemed to make the web fine for receiving and creating information (and, of course, non-textual media); but it seemed to lack something vital when it came to the sustained digestion of knowledge.

Even though historically, the written word is associated with a withering away of some of the very things I'm interested in (animism, magical consciousness, decentred spirituality), it's unavoidably important for absorbing knowledge and nurturing imagination in this slice of history we've landed in. Books may be relics one day, but not in my lifetime I feel.

The other impetus was awareness of our ecological crisis. This is a slow-motion catastrophe that we've been unconsciously gestating in our connections to (and disconnections from) the biosphere for the last few millennia at least. It's not a bunch of guys running at you with guns and bombs (though these things are happening as a consequence), so it's harder to conceptualize and react to. Ecology is complex enough, and mass media simplistic enough, that it's always going to be an uphill struggle to foster effective action until truly large-scale disasters strike. What can I do? Well, there's a lot of obvious personal choices (some easier than others). Past that, what I've been able to do well in the past is create inspiring small-scale publications. A drop in the ocean next to the work of some activists or developers of green tech; but you have to do what you can. Certainly, I couldn't devote this much time to creating something that didn't address this issue in some way.

Marion: It's a little off mainstream, what sort of readership did you envision?

Gyrus: I've never been much for assessing the market and so on. I generally create things that I want to exist, in the faith that no man is an island, and someone else will want them to exist too. But I've realized in doing Dreamflesh Journal that the kind of ideas I was pushing in the 90s have spread out since then. Maybe the enthusiasm is spread a little thin, but the interest is still there. There's a less clear sense of this stuff being hip as it was fifteen years ago; but as Bruce Sterling observed, going for "hip" is an admission that you're not in it for the long haul. We need sustainability, and fashion is the antithesis of sustainability.

Still, I'm lucky enough to pay my way with other things and have time left for this. I consider it both a duty and a pleasure to make good use of this opportunity: creating something that's highly valued by some people, which might not have seen the light of day if it was subjected to market forces as they function today. I hope my readership is as eclectic as the journal's contents: curious (in both senses), smart, sensual and compassionate.

Marion: What's been the response to DF1. Has it surprised you?

Gyrus: The response has been warm, though I didn't feel I quite achieved my vision with the first one. It's sometimes hard when you don't pay for contributions to pin people down, of course. And I've been out of the self-publishing loop for a while, so even though I wasn't back to square one, I have had to rekindle certain fires. The only thing that's surprised me is how long it's taken me to get back to all this again.

Marion: When is DF2 coming out and what's in it?

Gyrus: It's due before the end of 2008, but the usual self-publishing caveats apply! There's a great selection of interviews (one of my favourite forms): media theorist Douglas Rushkoff, ecopsychologist David Kidner, and Patrick Harpur (the elusive author of the wonderful 'Daimonic Reality' and 'The Philosopher's Secret Fire'). Animals figure largely: Mark Pilkington (editor of sibling journal, 'Strange Attractor') is writing about animal intelligence, and hopefully Bitsy Broughton will be discussing animals & ancestors in dreamwork. There's a piece by a Louisiana psychotherapist on Hurricane Katrina, and more delectable art & miscellanea. It's even possible that my current writing project might make it in there, looking at the heart as an imaginal reality, panic attacks & the divine...

Marion: Tell us a bit about yourself, who is Gyrus? What's your main interest at the moment?

Gyrus: Well, Gyrus is a writing name that's also become my day-to-day name for most people I know. More than a nickname, but a little less than a changed name. It probably makes me seem weirder or more grandiosely esoteric than I actually am; I've learned to live with that.

As I just mentioned, the psychological aspect of the heart is a strong current interest, heavily inspired by James Hillman and Robert Romanyshyn's writings. I'm currently delving into Corbin's work on Sufi mysticism, which seems to be a crucial source for conceptions of the heart that are neither the literal fleshy pump nor the sentimental symbol of love. It's pretty dense stuff; I'm hoping I can distill some of it into tasty but nutritious "starters" to give to people, to help nurture our appetite for this marginalized vision.

Jung once said that "the gods have become diseases", meaning that in banishing the polytheist world of the soul (first through monotheism, then through scientism), we have forced this reality to manifest as strange symptoms, bodily dysfunctions - maybe even ecosystemic imbalance, too. Naturally we stumble when rediscovering this lost world, "like invalids who have forgotten how to walk", as Jim Morrison said. So we have drug wars and psychosis as well as entheogenic rapture, quack cures as well as unorthodox healing, overpriced "lifestyle spirituality" as well as friends helping each other explore themselves. The stumbling is used to further argue against the idea of walking, because we've lost our patience. But I think we all know from experience where patience comes from. Occasionally, we slow ourselves down and try to accept the things we're rushing to avoid; usually, something hits us in the face and we're forced to stop. I'm interested in fostering the former and learning to deal with the latter.

Marion: Have any of the articles you've collected profoundly changed the way you look at things, without picking favourites, are there any that you're particularly proud of?

Gyrus: Well, I "test-drove" most of the material in the first volume; many of the contributors are friends. I was "embalmed" by Orryelle and Giselle from Australia, in the process they describe in their article, which was intense. This catalyzed a very potent dream which, via Rebirthing breathwork (a variant of which I'd studied a while ago with Dave Lee, who contributed a piece on breathwork), led me to try ayahuasca, which my friend Donal Ruane discusses in an interview. Michael Ortiz Hill, when I met him in California, performed a dream ceremony and read the I Ching for me; and I've been getting into Santeria practices with Stephen Grasso. All of these things contributed directly to a slow-burning but hugely important transformation I've been going through over the past few years. I'm a very "hands-on" editor!

Marion: If you could meet anyone alive or dead, who would it be and what would you ask them?

Gyrus: I would have loved to meet Alan Watts, the great popularizer of Eastern spirituality (a description which belies his tremendous intellectual rigour). I would have asked him for a cup of tea.


External Resources

Dreamflesh Website

Volume I (2007)

Volume II (2009)